White enamel with fine silver cloisonne'

    • 25 posts
    January 31, 2013 3:55 AM EST

    Hi Michael, I am using Hiller No.201 White opaque with fine silver cloisonné.  (http://www.emaille-hiller.de/)

    For other works, not cloisonné, I am using Soyer No.161 white opaque which is softer than the Hiller white.

    Gabor

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    January 31, 2013 3:23 PM EST

    This Hiller sold Schauer enamels or nonlead enamel from the same UK producent.I ordered few new enamels from this site and the price,communication,postage and all was OK.I think this is my new source for good enamels:)

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    January 31, 2013 6:46 PM EST

    I don´t know what type is this white but works quite good on fine silver,also on my filagree wire cloisonne.Is it aprox 80-100mesh so very thin layer will turn brown on edges.

    http://www.watermanshop.com/Webwinkel/tabid/64/ProdID/35/Language/en-US/CatID/7/Enamel_powder_white_opaque.aspx

    I think they said is it Thompson,but I am not sure.

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    January 31, 2013 7:24 PM EST

    Thank you for the input!  I always put a layer of flux on the fine silver to attach my cloisonné wires.  I'll e-mail / call Coral at Enamelwork Supply to see if she has ant suggestions.  She seems pretty knowledgeable and is very helpful.  I'll let you know whats I find out!  

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    February 7, 2013 10:29 PM EST

    i've used ninomaya L101 for years with no problem next to cloisonne wires. some opaque whites have a chemical reaction when touching fine silver and turns the enamel yellow. since it's opaque you can only see it where it is very thin, as the opacity of the enamel keeps you from seeing where it touches the silver. but i never have this problem with the fine silver cloisonne wires. 

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    February 8, 2013 9:06 AM EST

    Thanks, Ricky!

    I figured that you may have a solution!   I'll order some soon, as I need to restock a few things from Enamelwork Supply.

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    March 29, 2013 12:14 PM EDT

    What kind of enamel is L101? (hard, soft) 

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    March 29, 2013 1:07 PM EDT

    hard fusing

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    April 16, 2013 3:46 PM EDT

    I finally got around to ordering some L101 today.  I'll let you know how it works for me.

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    June 10, 2013 10:17 PM EDT

    Coral is awesome and very knowledgeable. When I worked with leaded enamels I used L101 with no problem. I made the transition to lead free Thompson enamels back in 2008 and it was the best thing I did. It is not an opaque white but I LOVE the opalescent white by Thompson on pure silver.

    Cheers,

    Julie Glassman 

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    June 19, 2013 8:24 AM EDT

    I used the L101 in some pieces recently and it worked well!  Nice and white, no burning out along the wires.  Thank you for all the input!

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    January 30, 2013 8:03 AM EST

    I've been enameling for almost 25 years but sometimes the time to experiment is very limited.

    I've only been using one opaque white enamel with my cloisonne'.  Soyer #159.  I had been using only 24K gold cloisonne' wires for many years, as I found it to be very compatible with all types of enamel.  But since the price of gold has become so outrageous, for the past several years I've been using primarily fine silver cloisonne' wires in my work.  I noticed, however, that when I use the #159 opaque white against the silver wires, it tends to turn grey where it comes in contact with the silver.  So to remedy this, I still use 24K wire in the areas I want to use white.  I don't use opaque white a whole lot in my work, hence my not trying another white just yet.

    Is there another white that anyone has had good results with while using silver cloisonne' wires?  It would be less expensive to change to another opaque white than to keep buying gold wire.  Gold wire is a nice compliment in the piece, but for now, I'm going with less cost.  I use silver cloisonne' wire when I set pieces in silver, which has become the majority of my work these days, but still use gold wire when setting the piece in gold.

    Thank you for any input!