New and have a few questions

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    September 15, 2012 11:03 AM EDT
    Meant to say paint on the kiln wash on the very bottom of the kiln. That is what it says to do in the manual.
  • September 15, 2012 12:03 PM EDT

    Hi Sylvia,

    I'm fairly new to the group also.  For the last 2 years I have been torching outside when the weather allows. I do have 4 kilns as I have been a potter and a fused glass artist. Always paint on kiln wash as instructed .... this will protect the shelf.  Better to fire on a shelf so if anything happens you are not ruining the bottom of your kiln! Not sure about temp as I have not yet used my new small kiln but would assume it would be the same as torching.  Hope this helps

    Cheers, Jo-Anne

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    September 15, 2012 12:14 PM EDT
    Thanks Jo-Anne, I just wasn't sure if it was needed if I was just doing enameling, but I will go ahead and do the kiln wash.
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    September 15, 2012 3:17 PM EDT

    How to protect the bottom of the kiln is a really good question.  Kiln wash directly on the bottom of the kiln may not be enough.  A major spill can be tough to clean up and there is down time to reapply the kiln wash.  Some people like to use a ceramic shelf just smaller than the bottom of the kiln and apply wash to that.  When the kiln is cool the shelf can be removed, scraped clean, and recoated if necessary.

    Another option is a fiber kiln blanket.  This is also the choice for those using a kiln with a muffle instead of fire-brick interior.  It is a fibrous sheet about 1/8" thick that you cut to size, just smaller than your kiln floor.  Over time a certain amount of spillage dirties the central area and when the buildup seems like it is beginning to penetrate the blanket, just throw it away and put down a new one.  I find I use less than two blankets a year so they seem very economical. 

    When you first use one, put it in a cold kiln to burn off the binder.  As the kiln heats, the white blanket turns brown and generates a light smoke about midway in the heating.  When firing temp is reached the blanket will have returned to white and is ready to use.

    An economical place to purchase this product is alpineglass.com , put25FP18 in the search box.  A 24"x24" piece is $14.95.  Thompson and some of the other suppliers also sell the product, but for a higher price.



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    September 15, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

    Thanks Vera,

    That's great advice! I hadn't thought to try a kiln blanket for the bottom. My only thought about that is that I will be using a shelf with legs....will that stand up steady on top of the kiln blanket OK, or wil it wobble around?

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    September 15, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

    The blanket is thin and would not make the shelf wobble, but if you have a blanket you would not use a shelf.  You would just use your fork to set the wire mesh that carries your trivet directly on the blanket.

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    September 15, 2012 5:51 PM EDT

    Now that I think of it, another reason that you might like the blanket better than a shelf with legs is that you will have more head room...if you were to put in a taller item there would be more space for it.

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    September 15, 2012 7:58 PM EDT

    Ok, that's great. I don't have any kiln blanket on hand, so I'll have to order some. I'll check out that link you posted, as the other sites I've ordered from didn't seem to have any. I like the idea that I can just replace it every 6 months or so....that's a nice option!

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    September 16, 2012 7:45 AM EDT

    Hi Sylvia,

    I always use a ceramic shelf and coat it with kiln wash . This keeps the bottom of my kiln like new. You can scrape off the dropped enamel and when it becomes too used replace with another. It doesn't really take up much room in the kiln and I prefer the sturdiness to set my trivets on. Usually the standard temperature to fire your enamels is at 1450 - altho transparents like a hotter kiln. Each enamel color has different melting and flow points, so you should read the label or check with Thompsons charts so that you know exactly what that particular enamel color will do in the kiln especially if using it with other colors. Enamels come in hard, medium and soft  melting points - which means - the hard and medium take longer to melt then a soft.

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    September 17, 2012 2:07 AM EDT
    Thanks for all of the great info Trish! Do you know where i can find these Thompson charts at? I bought sample packs to start with so I could try several colors before purchasing large containers, and the sample packs came in ziplock bags, so no info other than their numbers. I will probably be using a lot of transparent enamels....how much hotter would I need to fire those?

    Thanks again for the help!
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    September 17, 2012 7:52 AM EDT

    You will find the charts inside the Thompson catalogue - I took mine out and encase it in a plastic sheet for easy reference. I will photo mine and upload it on the site for you with some notes so that you can understand the scientific lingo better, as it was explained to me. I would fire the transparents at 1500 - but since you are starting out - stick with 1450, and take your time learning the different aspects of the enamel. Or if you want to experiment on small copper pieces, blast away! remember: if you raise the temp higher, then you don't want to keep the piece in long - maybe a minute - then check it- 

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    September 18, 2012 7:18 PM EDT

    Trish, thank you so much for uploading the chart for me! Where do I go to see it?

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    September 19, 2012 9:58 AM EDT

    Trish, this chart looks like the one in the Thompson Enamel Workbook, pages 3 and 4. I didn't find it in the catalog.

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    September 15, 2012 11:01 AM EDT
    Hello, I am fairly new to the group, and just got my kiln yesterday. I am wondering if I need to paint on the kiln wash as suggested in the instruction book or if that is only for ceramics firing? Also, can I just place my wire rack directly on the bottom of the kiln, or do I need to place it on a shelf first?

    I have been reading over old posts here and am learning a lot, and have a couple of books. So far I have only done torch fired enamel, so this will be new for me using a kiln. Can someone recomend the best temp and time to fire at? I am using Thompson lead free enamel and bought a Paragon kiln.

    Thanks for the advice!